December 13th, 2024

Writer misunderstands how science works

By Letter to the Editor on December 30, 2019.

Re: “Climate change ‘science’ is just politics,” Dec. 11

The letter from Lynn Thacker showed a misunderstanding of climate science, and made claims that are simply wrong.

I’ll ignore the writer’s polemics and conspiracy theories, which have no basis in fact. But his claims about the Mann et al “hockey stick” are uninformed. He seems unaware that many findings have confirmed the hockey stick by now, by many different mathematical techniques, and it is accepted as consensus science. The Canadian researchers McIntyre and McKitrick were, to put it plainly, wrong. Just this summer the PAGES 2k Consortium, consisting of several dozen researchers around the world, again analyzed the data, this time using seven different mathematical techniques. All confirmed Mann et al’s result.

This isn’t surprising. There have been sharp hockey sticks in the concentration of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, in atmospheric methane, and in nitrous oxide, the three major gases that result from man’s burning of fossil fuels. These imply, via very basic physics, that a hockey stick is the expected shape of the temperature curve over the last 1,000 years.

Neither Mann nor any other scientists were caught deleting or hiding any data. The letter writer is badly misinformed on this count.

Finally, about Thacker’s claim that “‘consensus’ has little meaning in science.” This reflects a significant misunderstanding of how science works. Scientists work at the edge, researching the latest questions in their field. Everything behind them is consensus science. NASA used consensus science to go to the Moon and back. We all rely on consensus science when we try to start out cars in the morning. Every computer in front of us is built on consensus science – we don’t expect that one day we’ll wake up and our computers won’t turn on because the laws of physics were overthrown the night before.

David Appell

Keizer, Ore.

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Wo Fat
Wo Fat
4 years ago

In fact, both Christiana Figueres and Ottmar Edenhofer, both spokespersons for the IPCC have stated that the entire movement is all about destroying capitalism and establishing socialsm, not climate at all.
The scientific concensus you cling to is just a front for socialism and conspiracy theories are being proven as conspiracies in fact every day.
Mr. Appell it is you who is msinformed or should I say socialistically indoctrinated!
I’d bet my bottom dollar that you are a Democrat to boot!
Trump 2020!!

Nora Abercrombie
Nora Abercrombie
4 years ago
Reply to  Wo Fat

I’d like to see those quotes, because I believe you are cherry-picking statements and twisting them to confirm your own bias.

The reason so many people are worried about capitalism and want to establish socialism is because 1) the excesses of capitalism are responsible for the extra carbon in the atmosphere and 2) socialism and social justice ensure the safety and equality of people while we grapple with this gigantic problem of climate change.

Listen, I like the current system as much as the next person. It’s been really good for me. But we have to face facts. Just like quitting smoking or not driving drunk or saving for your kids’ education: changing the way we do things is simply making mature and responsible decisions. It’s not an attack.

Mindful Millennial
Mindful Millennial
4 years ago

Excellent article, David.
Keep up the good work.

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